Earlier today I made this tweet, ” I’m not sure if some people realize that the Government includes both the PNP and the JLP and not just the latter.”.
An official Diplomat of Jamaica subsequently responded to this tweet disagreeing with me. You would think that an official representative of our country would know this, but alas. I will not include the name or twitter handle of this diplomat, if only for his sake.
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N.B His name is replaced with “Guy” in the discussion:
Guy: When somegood happens who gets the credit…?
Gordon: Whoever is the ruling party at the time. Right now it’s the JLP so they get the credit.
Guy: exactly the minority have no real control over the decision making.. This system very centralized
Gordon: That was not the premise of my tweet. The fact still remains that both parties make up the government.
Guy: they do not.. They make up the legislature.. One party forms government…its basically about who makes final decisions
Gordon: I’m not talking about who has the power and who doesn’t. Obviously the ruling party has the power. That’s why they’re the RULING party. I’m not disputing that. But the Government of Jamaica consists of BOTH parties.
Guy : the vast majority of decisions like money matters are taken by simple majority vote…
Gordon: You’re digressing.
Guy : Jamaica has had one party in parliament already.. The oppositions absence was not felt
Guy : a think u have it wrong– the parliament while having the highest authority is not the government —
Gordon: I never said that Parliament was the government. I said they make up the government.
Gordon: Here’s some reading for you: http://bit.ly/qh18Uw You can go and read the constitution after too.
Guy : u know all that.. But it no other country can any minority party consider themselves part of a govt unless there us a coalition
Guy :the british labour party would tell u that…
Guy : u said both parties make up the govt.. And they dont
Gordon: Give me your definition of the government.
Guy : Those who formulate policy, make decisions and execute
Gordon: So tell me, What does the Upper House and Lower house fall under? What is it apart of?
Guy : the upper house only deliberate and recommend but can be ignored
Guy : still parliament — but only the lower house can approve things relating to money– hence the power–
Gordon: And what does parliament fall under? It doesn’t fall under anything?
Guy : no it’s the legislature from which the govt is drawn—
Gordon: And it’s a legislature which operates under a parliamentary system of the GOVERNMENT.
Guy : basically when u refer to the govt. U can’t refer to the opposition
Guy : opposition and govt have two different role.. The former supposed to be a check on the latter
Gordon: And to do that they have to have a seat in parliament. Parliament is apart of the Government.
Gordon: Not according to the Jamaican constitution. Unless there’s some change that I don’t know about.
Guy : govt is drawn from The legislature.. U can’t oversimplify it..
Gordon: Bruce Golding is the PM of Jamaica because his party has more seats in the government
Gordon:The government pays the leader of the opposition because they have seats in parliament.
Guy : All MPs are paid
Guy : suppose u had 6 or 7 parties is parliament /- all of them would be considered govt.
Gordon:No dude, They wouldn’t be parties in parliament unless they have a seat. There are 60 constituencies in Jamaica
Guy: the MPs are not govt employees sonirsca simplification to say govt pays them
Guy : suppose yu have a 28-5-5-6-4 split in parliament after an election — what then
Gordon: The 28 would be the ruling party.
Gordon: But anyway, I’m done. You’ve apparently formed your own definition of what the government is ignoring what’s written in the constitution in the process.
Guy : and the rest opposition /- the second largest faction would be leader of opposition
Guy : the constitution very clear on the roles of legislature and govt.
Gordon: Oye, Guy , Go read this: http://bit.ly/qtagfpHigh School knowledge. It’s the structure of the GOVERNMENT.
Guy : that’s broken down for high school students — very very simplified —
Gordon: Wow. Dude, simplified doesn’t mean wrong.
Gordon: Ok, let me try again. This time it’s from the Constitution. The STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT OF JAMAICA: http://bit.ly/qtagfp
Gordon: You have diplomat in your twitter bio and you don’t know that the PNP is apart of the Jamaican government…SAD.
Guy : cause they not
Guy : it say the government can only exist if it has the support of the majority of MPs.If they all in it why would u need a majority
Guy : it nuh wrong it misleading and would give a wrong impression especially when relations between both sides get fraught